Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave)

Adam Gleave is co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI. In this cross-post from The Cognitive Revolution Podcast, he joins to discuss post-AGI scenarios and AI safety challenges. The conversation explores his three-tier framework for AI capabilities, gradual disempowerment concerns, defense-in-depth security, and research on training less deceptive models. Topics include timelines, interpretability limitations, scalable oversight techniques, and FAR.AI’s vertically integrated approach spanning technical research, policy advocacy, and field-building.

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) A Positive Post-AGI Vision

(10:07) Surviving Gradual Disempowerment

(16:34) Defining Powerful AIs

(27:02) Solving Continual Learning

(35:49) The Just-in-Time Safety Problem

(42:14) Can Defense-in-Depth Work?

(49:18) Fixing Alignment Problems

(58:03) Safer Training Formulas

(01:02:24) The Role of Interpretability

(01:09:25) FAR.AI’s Vertically Integrated Approach

(01:14:14) Hiring at FAR.AI